just wondering, as i will be visiting active jw family in ohio in a few weeks, do you think it will be worthwhile dropping it into a conversation, about the wtbts pyramid near his grave, or try some other topic to try and wake them up.
i was never baptized and don't really care if they get upset or not, but it is only a day trip from ohio to pittsburgh, and thought it would be fun if they denied it, and then drove their to see it for ourselves.
Oh yeah, it's been mentioned that just like Jehovah dealt with his chosen people in the past, as they made mistakes he'd correct them, punish them, abandon them and then had them reinstated to his grace, that the same way he deals with today's organization in the event they take wrong turns or make wrong choices.
It's unbelievable how crafty hardcore JWs can be excusing the WTBTS.
we believe what we want to believe!
DY
with all the recent changes to this religion, what really is the purpose of being a jw?
especially for those who have been in and witnessed all the changes and still no sight of the end.
for these ones in particular (35-55 year olds) they must be in a state of confusion.
For me, remaining a JW, labeled 'spiritually weak' as it is, still grants me love and communication/interaction with hubby, parents, extended family and so many friends. These human relationships are worth the tiny bit of misery endured at the meetings/assemblies/service/memorial.
I emphasize the positive interactions and fun before and afterwards, so this has helped me to persevere for decades since knowing TTATT. The fact that the guilt is gone since becoming part of the 'conscious class' has helped immensely.
DY
i never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
I believe in higher powers, evil supernatural forces among us, people possessed/guided by these evil forces, people guided by 'good' supernatural forces.
In essence, do not believe that we humans understand forces/powers above ours. We make guesses based on ancient writings, but none is certain.
DY
just wondering, as i will be visiting active jw family in ohio in a few weeks, do you think it will be worthwhile dropping it into a conversation, about the wtbts pyramid near his grave, or try some other topic to try and wake them up.
i was never baptized and don't really care if they get upset or not, but it is only a day trip from ohio to pittsburgh, and thought it would be fun if they denied it, and then drove their to see it for ourselves.
Some I've spoken to about our history and beginnings have said that "being Bible Students meant to evolve from falsehoods as they discovered that certain behavior wasn't consistent with Biblical teachings", then of course, the "light gets brighter" bs in Proverbs comes out in the conversation.
We humans believe what our minds are resolved to believe.
DY
during our wt life we met a good number of friends involved in the circuit and district work.
i am sure that we share the same experience and that we remember fondly some that we caring, loving and generally interested in the brothers.
at the same time we might remember others that were arrogant, selfish, abusive and oppressive.
ALL COs are nothing more than paid clergy, working to advance the interests of the WTBTS, while fully enjoying and some demanding worship from the congs.
It's wonderful to see many of them now be among us mere worker bees, working to support ourselves, and living the real life here in the 'world'. It's very easy to demand perfection and for things to be done a certain way while only having to deal with JWs 100% and have everything paid for plus a monthly paycheck and lots of 'green handshakes' every week from the 'men worshippers.
I hear quite a few of them are not faring very well after being placed down from their pedestal. Good!!!
There's this particular jerk in the Spanish Circuit, many years ago up North, Rene Ramirez; he was quite the elitist, only the best for him, always finding a way in his talks to correct how we spoke the Spanish language and how we behaved with one another, refusing to shake hands to avoid illness (he was a closeted germaphobe, is my belief). He was demeaning, condescending, rude. Once mature, I clearly understood why his JW wife just left him and then later on returned to being a JW; who could put up with such perfectionist asshole?! Last I heard, also years ago, he had moved to California, changed his name and might not even be a JW anymore. That one sure was hated by many a body of elders during that time.
There are other gems now in the Spanish Circuit down here in Southeast Florida: One a dictator, the other one a closeted homo, both with stepford wives whom surely by this time know who they married and feel somewhat ashamed for them as they can see the other JWs know... ohhh, we sure know.
COs... our 'paid clergy'. No love or respect here for them.
DY
i don't post here too much..i am more of a lurker.
but, wanted to share recent conversation with jw family member.. one of my jw relatives recently went to visit another jw relative that is "serving where the need is great",.
when my jw relative returned home and i was talking with him, who is an older jw who has been in for over 50 years, was so excited to tell me about the special talk.
Always knew it was the Catholic church.
We, JWs, would fall in with Protestantism, or maybe... Free Masonry since our founder had to ties to the Free Masons (?!).
DY
jerry jones on youtube exposed a jw couple who were begging for money on gofundme.
this is his youtube .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feohxtbml2c.
Everybody now has a GoFundMe for one reason or another.
This GoFundMe crap gets on my last nerve.
Just like the WTBTS, GoFundMe will never see contributions from me.
DY
my father was telling me the other day that 5 publishers have recently been put in rest home care.
interesting in a cong of about 80-100 publishers.
Sad. There they'll be forgotten. Ending life the same as everybody else.
Some will lose their marbles and celebrate everything. Hey, whatever brings them joy in this last stage of life.
Sad.
DY
the study wt of march 2016 is up on jw.org and is the standard article around this time of year...pressuring young kids to dedicate their lives to the organization again.
this wt will be studied during may, so just in time to pressure them into baptism at the regional conventions this summer.such articles really upset me, as the realization of how many young promising lives will be destroyed.
how many families will be broken up, when the child who got baptized as a minor (ages 6 and up are mentioned in the literature) decides as a young adult that his/her conscience no longer allows him/her to be part of such a destructive cult.
This JW practice is no different than infant baptism of other faiths, no different.
Kids do not know shit from shinola!
Their bodies along with the brain are developing, evolving, maturing; this is why they cannot enter into a legally binding contract.
No wonder why Jesus waited 'til being fully cooked prior to taking on such commitment.
The WTBTS is only interested in the numbers. The $$$ and numbers. That's all.
DY
in your personal experience, do you think that the wt attracts needy types of people?
over the years, my experience is that they do attract very needy, insecure, dysfunctional, types.
i had an acquaintance that i just basically cut off.
Yes!!!
We are just a bunch of delusional about the future, depressed about the present and damn tired of chasing the damned dangling carrot!!!
DY
